
China’s Vanishing Muslims: Undercover In The Most Dystopian Place In The World
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VICE News reporter Isobel Yeung goes undercover as a tourist in Xinjiang, documenting heavy surveillance, policing and internment of Uighurs. It also covers children taken into state-run institutions.
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HN cites it as first-hand, independent reporting on Xinjiang that does not rely on state-sanctioned access.
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Yes, totalitarian dictatorships are a literal alternative to Democracy, though I feel we're nitpicking on the semantics of my words here. When I say I don't see Totalitarian Dictatorships as an alternative, I don't mean in the literal sense, I mean in the viable sense. In the literal sense, yes, it's an alternative to Democracy. As is building a house on sand is a literal but not viable alternative to building a house on concrete. I don't think many would want to live under a Chinese authoritarian rule given the Democratic alternatives. Or perhaps they would until they're rounded up in Xinjiang camps, shot in the face with rubber bullets for wanting to protect their current way of life or ran over by Tanks by asking for change to better their way of life. But if we've seen what the conversations that are occurring in China about these violent acts taken by the CCP, it's clear the populace think it's in their best interests at this time. Though it's worth adding that the message we receive about the CCP's actions is very different to those living in China. I recommend anyone to watch the documentary created by Vice below about the atrocities that are occurring in Xinjiang and the first hand opinions of those that live there. I would guess the opinions of those being interviewed are honest with a side of oppression. [1] [VIDEO]
Read original comment ↗> Almost everything ughyur and xinjiang related has pretty much been shown to be propaganda and from highly questionable sources Do you have any evidence for that whatsoever? In contrast, here's a very thorough look from an established news source: [VIDEO]
Read original comment ↗Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring. Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0] The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists is heavily restricted. Naturally, any information that comes out from a standard news outlet with government sanctioned offices like Associated Press will sound like government propaganda. CCP will not let AP have access to any information that counters the narrative of the propaganda. For a different take on things, and an outlet that does journalism differently without official representation with CCP, have a look at this piece from VICE [1]. [0] [LINK] [1] [VIDEO]
Read original comment ↗Coincidentally, I watched this vice news documentary earlier today that shows the current situation in China: [VIDEO] through undercover reporting.
Read original comment ↗>(are the Uyghur Muslims treated worse than immigrants in many western places like US / EU / AUS?) This question would be simpler to answer if China allowed foreign reporters access to the camps, cities, and provinces where (millions of) Uyghur Muslims are held, such as Xinjiang. Could you imagine if Chinese reporters were denied to access to, for example, the state of Texas? What if plainclothes Texas Rangers stalked tourists visiting El Paso, and aggressively detained and deported anyone caught interviewing local Hispanics? That’s the type of media blackout which I understand is currently imposed on Xinjiang. VICE News on the ground: [VIDEO] Foreign Policy editor, “All of my Uyghur sources are gone”: [LINK]
Read original comment ↗Not OP; I've only come across this in a Vice documentary - [VIDEO] I don't think the surveillance has the explicit purpose of preventing cultural reproduction, but I can imagine it has a chilling effect.
Read original comment ↗I do not believe this story. We're talking about a country that puts children in concentration camps. I do not think you can trust anything in their press releases. [VIDEO]
Read original comment ↗What I find chilling is that Uigher children are being kidnapped from their families and sent to barbed wire enclosed camps as well[1]. There, they are subjected to CCP brainwashing[2]. [1] [VIDEO] [2] [VIDEO]
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