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Even Small Towns are Great Here (5 Years in the Netherlands)

Even Small Towns are Great Here (5 Years in the Netherlands)

Not Just Bikes
1 HN recommenders · discussed 2023–2026
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About this video

Not Just Bikes reflects on five years in the Netherlands and tours small towns and cities, from Haarlem to Veenendaal. It argues that good urbanism with walkable streets, bike infrastructure and transit is found almost everywhere there, not just in Amsterdam.

Why it appears in the archive

Used as a go-to reference in car-dependence debates to show that small towns and rural areas can work without cars.

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From the Hacker News discussion

dangus · 2026-04 · rec

We actually don’t have to work with what exists. We actively chose and continue to choose what exists. Every day new land is developed that perpetuates these choices. Every day we decide to keep things the same or implement change. Here’s a nice video about how rural towns can be configured to not be car dependent: [VIDEO] You’ll notice that this isn’t some ancient European pre-automobile city stuff, you’ll see many single family home tract houses in the suburbs and small towns of the Netherlands that would be at home in any American suburb. The Netherlands did struggle with post-war car-oriented development that it has successfully pushed back against. If you live in Arlington, Texas, you live in a city of over 200,000 people that doesn’t even have bus service.

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dangus · 2026-04 · rec

Did I say we should run subways to every corner? Here’s a nice video about how small suburbs and even farms don’t need to involve deep car dependence: [VIDEO] Meanwhile, Arlington, Texas has over 200,000 people with no bus system. And before you say “oh it’s Europe it’s old” I will point out that the Netherlands had a huge car dependency problem in the mid-century and deliberately moved away from it during/after the oil crisis. You can see multiple single family home developments that would be right at home in a US suburb in this video. The author even reaches a rural farm without a car. What about if American transit authorities just did basic stuff like work together and perform actual regional planning rather than working in silos and having conflicts with each other? For example, there’s zero reason why NJ transit should be a different agency than NYC’s transit authority. They should be the same agency that works toward a comprehensive regional transit system focused on the metropolitan area rather than arbitrary state borders. Instead, they’re forced to do things like sell $100 World Cup train tickets because they haven’t been empowered to reap the rewards of the economic development they enable.

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dangus · 2023-09 · reference

American carbrains can’t imagine a society that doesn’t depend on huge ass vehicles for daily transportation. A reminder that driving isn’t a right, it’s a privilege that you have to get a license to do, and many other places that aren’t America don’t design their cities and even their small towns [1] around the idea that you must own a vehicle. Congestion taxes and pollution rules tend to affect city centers where personal vehicle ownership is unnecessary and even something that could be considered detrimental to society as a whole. I didn’t agree to die early due to elevated pollution levels in my city just so you can drive your truck around downtown. Approximately half of all global oil use is associated with roadways. Maybe draining the world’s oil is a solid plan for the oil states and geopolitically massive superpowers of the world, but many countries have to import all of their oil, so owning a 19mpg Toyota 4Runner in a country like Spain is arguably a national security issue. [1] [VIDEO]

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tstrimple · 2023-09 · reference

Having well designed cities and transit isn’t just something that can be done for dense urban areas. Our car centric belief system is more of a cultural artifact than an indication that nothing else is possible. [VIDEO]

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Mawr · 2023-11 · reference

You're comparing living in a car dependant city vs living in car dependant suburbs. It's not going to be meaningfully different. You mention the constant noise, but what do you think causes it? To see what everyone means by car dependency, you'd need to see the few places that aren't. Here's what a 100% car-free island looks like: [LINK] Here are some progressive European cities that have started to undo the damage that's been done by cars: • Freiburg, Germany: [LINK] • Haarlem, Netherlands: [VIDEO] • Paris, France: [LINK] Check out these background noise levels: • A very busy mixed-use street in Amsterdam: [LINK] • Exiting the train station in Delft, Netherlands: [LINK] • Cycling streets in the Netherlands: [LINK] . You can even hear birds chirping at 4:29.

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CrispyKerosene · 2023-11 · reference

It sucks, but it doesn't have to be that way. Even small towns can be sufficiently served by viable public transit options. [VIDEO]

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panick21_ · 2024-03 · reference

Its just a very American views. I know its crazy to think but not every city in the world is surrounded by endless suburban sprawl. And if you have a good train connection, you can go out of a city very fast an efficiently. Zürich, you have forest 1.6km from the downtown train station. Or 9min with public transport to an even larger forest. To small? Ok, lets look at Berlin. From main train-station, you have a gigantic park only a few minutes away. If that isn't nature enough for you, its a 7.5km distance to a forest outside of the city. Amsterdam, less then 5km to be in the surrounding country side. Vienna, 4km to country side, 7km to a nature reserve. I have not been in any European city where going into to country side isn't trivially easy. Even my 80+ year old grandmother who lived in the cities former industrial area would go for daywalks in nature. > This is a circular claim. So if a suburb works well it's not a suburb? No its not 'suberbia'. 'Suberbia' has a particular definition. This video gives some perspective of what I am talking about:$ [VIDEO]

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tstrimple · 2024-06 · reference

Even smaller cities and towns can have good bike infrastructure. But it requires good interconnected infrastructure which largely doesn't exist in the US or Canada. [VIDEO]

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