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Intersection design, the Dutch - cycle friendly - way

Intersection design, the Dutch - cycle friendly - way

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1 HN recommenders · discussed 2012–2022
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A short BicycleDutch episode showing how Dutch protected intersections continue cycle paths through the junction without needing extra street width.

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HN uses it as the standard reference for how the Netherlands solves cyclist and driver conflicts at intersections.

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IkmoIkmo · 2015-08 · rec

Welcome :) There's quite a few interesting videos on traffic design in the Netherlands, junction design is a big topic, as well as separating lanes. Videos like these might be fun to watch: [VIDEO] If it piques your interest, there's more comprehensive videos too like this one which is still only 5 minutes: [LINK]

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maurits · 2012-09 · reference

To Encourage Biking, Cities should do two things, and two things only: - Bike lanes. Physically separated bike lanes. This is not rocket science. Trains have rails, airplanes have a nice bit of tarmac and bikes should have a space tailored to their specific needs as well. Typically in the Netherlands, bikes are banned from roads that are 50km/h and up. And they don't need to battle it out with fast traffic, for there are bike lanes. And the limited space in this country means that something truly has to give when adding them. This how the dutch design an intersection. Note the absence of the ridiculous ASL boxes, and most important, no crossing of lanes. [VIDEO] - Traffic laws that protect the weaker participant in traffic. Again, case in point, the Netherlands where in a (civil) dispute after a bike-car accident the burden of proof lies with the car. Not to mention the dreaded article 5 that broadly states that endangering traffic is a felony. This helmet discussion imho is just a way to deviate from arguably more costly and difficult choices when it comes to embracing the bicycle. And while we are are at it. I am convinced that making helmets, 4 point harnesses and leathers mandatory in cars for all occupants would save lives as well. What perhaps surprises me the most in the car-bike entanglement is the seemingly bad engineering. Cities like Londen, Geneva, all (claim) to cater for bikes, have rental programs, paint the odd lane, but their intersections tell a different st

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maurits · 2013-04 · reference

In short, build bike lanes like the dutch. [1] Big, physically separated, omnipresent bike lines. Ensure that bikes are first class citizens on intersections. Compare the 2-stage turn with the dutch design [2] [1] [LINK] [2] [VIDEO]

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arjunnarayan · 2014-09 · reference

This site is brilliant, and thank you for that link. I followed some of the citations. The video on the site makes it seem like it's an experimental idea, but to be clear, here is this dutch video showing that exact design in use - today - [VIDEO] I can only dream of living in a place where I could bike with such safety. I regularly get honked at/shouted at in Philadelphia --- for biking in bike lanes, because, apparently, drivers in Philly believe that it is their sovereign right to drive in green painted bike lanes when they wish to turn right. Maybe I should revise my "move to Canada" life plan, and make it "move to Amsterdam".

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vanderZwan · 2016-03 · reference

As a Dutchman, the first two paragraphs were quite infuriating to read; a list of arguments similar to the now-classic "Schödinger's immigrant"-joke ("simultaneously too lazy to work and stealing your job"). > Well, no wonder: Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. Well good to see that the 1920s auto-industry propaganda[0] still has it's firm grip on American society! Roads were not made for cars, the cars claimed the roads once they got on the scene. You can choose to design them in a way that accomodates all[1]. The only reason I'd hate leaving the Netherlands is because no other country comes close in bike-friendliness at the moment (simply put: good bike infrastructure is so common it's barely noticed by the locals, because it's the norm[2]). I do hope that changes soon. [0] [LINK] [1] [VIDEO] [2] [LINK]

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vanderZwan · 2016-12 · reference

As a Dutchman living in Stockholm I can tell you one thing: they should fix their goddamn bike lanes. Sure, they have them, which makes them better than 90% of the rest of the world. They're still shit. There's no separation of car- and bike traffic. To turn left a cyclist first has to cross parallel car traffic, making this unsafer for cyclists (and annoying for the people in cars, for that matter). Key issues: - the cyclist and driver should meet at a (near) 90 degree angle, so neither requires eyes in the back of their head - separate the goddamn lanes so neither car nor cyclist feels uncomfortably close to the other - don't require extra space because every square meter counts in a big city Well guess what, we've figured this out decades ago in the Netherlands: [VIDEO] [LINK] [LINK]

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raarts · 2017-05 · reference

OP makes some good points but should go on vacation in the Netherlands. Way ahead in road safety. For example: [VIDEO] Or more extensively: [LINK]

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bane · 2017-06 · reference

The impression I got from Amsterdam is that the city (and by extension the Dutch) has simply accepted all the behaviors that cyclists will do in a less cyclist friendly environment (run stop signs, ignore pedestrians, turn without signing and so on), and then just built infrastructure to support that natural behavior. As a pedestrian unfamiliar with the city, at first I found it hugely annoying that so little space was left to pedestrians, but once I figured out where not to stand, I started to have a much better appreciation for how it contributes the functioning of the city. In fact, I was kind of surprised at how little boat traffic there is these days. Having read and watched some videos on how the Netherlands does road planning for safety, the approach seems to be a much more "descriptive" approach to adapting road shapes and forms and cycle lanes to the natural behavior of people using those modes of transportation. For example, squeezing the width of lanes down naturally causes car drivers to slow rather than covering the area with signs telling drivers to slow down. This approach is slowly being adopted elsewhere ( [LINK] ). Lots of thought also into mixed-mode junction design [LINK] [VIDEO]

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